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1. How far do you belive will the US sacrifice its basic civil
liberties for a greater sense of security?
It is doubtful that the current attack on civil liberties has much
to do with security. In general, one can expect the state to use any
pretext to extend its power and to impose obedience on the population;
rights are won, not granted, and power will seek any opportunity to
reduce them.
The current incumbents in Washington are at an extreme of
reactionary jingoism and contempt for democracy. The question we
should ask, I think, is how far citizens will allow them to pursue
their agendas.So far, they have been careful to target vulnerable
populations, like immigrants, though the laws they have passed have
much broader implications. My feeling is that popular commitment to
the rights that have been won in hard struggle is too deep to allow
the attack to proceed very far.
2. How can we keep the balance between protecting
safety,protecting civil liberties and protecting privacy?
It is impossible to answer in the abstract.It is necessary to
consider proposals case by case. As I mentioned, the measures proposed
and sometimes implemented generally have only a limited relation to
"protecting safety." Many of them probably harm safety. Take the
bombing of Aghanistan, for example. Whatever one thinks about it, did
it increase security? US intelligence doesn't think so. They recently
reported that by scattering al-Qaeda and spawning new terrorist
networks the bombing may have increased the threat of terror. Does
that matter? Not really, as far as state planners are concerned. When
Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia came to the US recently to urge the
administration to pay more attention to the effect of his policies in
the Arab world, he was told by high officials: "if he thought we were
strong in Desert Storm, we're 10 times as strong today. This was to
give him some idea what Afghanistan demonstrated about our
capabilities." In brief: "follow orders, or you'll be pulverized."
That's what the bombing of Afghanistan was about.
3. The war against terrorism will have a lot more
casualities, a lot more innocent casualities. Can this be justified?
Again, the question cannot be answered in the abstract. But there
are some criteria for answering it. One simple criterion is that if
some action is legitimate for us, then it is legitimate for others. To
take an example, if it is legitimate for the US to bomb Afghanistan
because Washington suspects that the plot to carry out the 9-11
atrocities was hatched there (the FBI has recently conceded they still
have only suspicions, no firm evidence), then a fortiori, it would
have been legitimate for Nicaraguans (Cubans, Lebanese, and a long
list of others) to bomb Washington because they know, not suspect,
that it is the source of terrorist actrocities that far exceed even
9-11. Those who do not accept the latter conclusion -- that is, every
sane person -- cannot accept the former one, unless they reject the
most elementary moral principles, and thereby abandon any claim to
speak of right and wrong, good and evil.
The same criterion applies universally. It does not answer all
questions, but does answer a great many of them. It is true that
elementary moral principles such as this cannot be considered by the
rich and powerful, because of the consequences that follow very
quickly. Nevertheless, honest people should be willing to entertain
them.
4. Which is the impact of terrorism on the world and
especially in the US?
The impact of terrorism is enormous. To take just some recent
examples, Central America was devastated by state-directed
international terrorism in the 1980s, as was Haiti in the early 1990s.
I've just returned from Colombia, the scene of the worst terrorist
atrocities in the Western hemisphere in the past 10 years, now getting
even worse. Even the State Department concedes that the overwhelming
majority are attributable to the military and paramilitaries, which
are so closely linked that Human Rights Watch, which has done some of
the most detailed studies, calls the paramilitaries the "sixth
division" of the Colombian army, in addition to the five official
divisions. Political murders are running now at maybe 20 a day, more
than 300,000 people are added every year to those displaced (mostly by
terror), Colombia holds the world record for murder of trade unionists
and journalists, though of course the victims as usual are mostly
peasants. And so on. Shortly before, I visited Turkey, where some of
the worst state terrorist atrocities of the 1990s took place in the
Kurdish southeast, and the population now lives in a virtual dungeon.
All of this is international terrorism, because of its crucial
reliance throughout on massive US support, not only military but also
ideological support: silence and apologetics. Because of the agent, it
is not counted in the annals of terrorism. It is easy to continue.
The term "terrorism" is used, standardly, to refer to the terrorism
that THEY carry out against US, whoever "we" happen to be. Even the
worst mass murderers -- the Nazis for example -- adopted this
practice. I imagine the fascist Generals in Greece must have done the
same.
Since the rich and powerful set the terms for discussion, the term
"terrorism" is restricted, in practice, to the terror that affects the
US and its clients and allies. Keeping to that very narrow category of
terrorism, the atrocities of 9-11 had an enormous impact on the West.
Not because of the scale -- regrettably, that was not unusual -- but
because of the choice of innocent victims. For hundreds of years, it
has been the prerogative of Europe and its offshoots to carry out such
acts against others, with virtual impunity. It had been understood for
some time that with new technology, the industrial societies were
likely to lose their virtual monopoly of violence, maintaining only an
enormous preponderance. On 9-11, that expectation was realized, though
in a way that was completely unanticipated. Of course it is a great
shock.
The reaction was complex. Among intellectuals, it was mostly
jingoist hysteria, but that is quite normal. Among the general
population, reactions varied. For many people, it was a "wake-up
call," which has led to considerable openness, concern, skepticism,
and dissidence. These are healthy reactions, and though it is
difficult to measure their scale, it is surely substantial.
5. What is your opinion about the US long awaited policy
statement on how to end the Middle east conflict?
George Bush's planners constructed a series of demands that they
know the Palestinians cannot conceivably meet. They demanded that
under harsh and brutal military occupation, Palestine should become
Sweden, learning the ways of democracy from Saudi Arabia and Egypt
(that is what the words the President spoke imply). They should have
free elections, in which they choose a candidate the US selects for
them. If they fail these conditions, the US will continue to provide
massive support for the terror conducted by the official "man of
peace," Ariel Sharon, and the US will continue to bar the
international consensus on a political settlement, as it has been
doing for 25 years. If Palestinians were to meet US conditions, then
they would be permitted to contemplate George Bush's "vision" of an
eventual Palestinian state, somewhere: maybe in the Arabian desert, as
House Majority Speaker Dick Armey recently proposed. By staring
soulfully into the future with this noble vision, Bush approaches
(from below) the moral level of the more extreme partisans of
Apartheid 40 years ago. They not only had a "vision" of Black-run
states, but actually implemented their vision, even providing them
with some economic support.
For Israel, Bush calls for a "freeze" on settlements -- with a wink
of the eye. Everyone familiar with the topic knows that settlements
can be "frozen" but nevertheless expand without any disruption, by
virtue of a device called "natural growth."
In short, the US will continue to carry forward the goal of the
Oslo process: to establish a "permanent neocolonial dependency" for
Palestinians (in the words of Prime Minister Barak's chief negotiator
at Camp David two years ago, representing the position of the doves).
The Middle East conflict is to be resolved by force, not diplomacy, in
accord with this long-standing conception.
6. Which is the impact of globalization on the world?
The term "globalization" is used by power centers to refer to the
specific form of international economic integration that has been
instituted within the "neoliberal" framework of past several decades.
The impact of this investor-rights version of globalization is
reasonably clear. Virtually all macroeconomic indicators have declined
worldwide: rate of growth of the economy, of productivity, of capital
investment, even trade. There are exceptions: namely, the countries
that did not follow the rules, like China. In general, the regions
that followed the rules more religiously, like Latin America, had the
worst records. In the US, contrary to many claims, the period was one
of slow growth as compared to the preceding decades, furthermore
highly skewed towards the most wealthy sectors of the population. The
majority suffered stagnation or decline. Social indicators also
declined fairly steadily in contrast to earlier years, when they
tracked growth.
In general, the impact was about as presumably intended. The
process has been highly successful for those who designed it, not
surprisingly: for those sectors called "the masters of the world" by
the international business press, with only a touch of irony. For
others, the impact has been mixed, often gloomy. But what happens to
them is incidental: policies are not designed for their benefit.
7. Do you have any advice on how to institute an effective
anti-globalization programm without the assistance of violence?
"Anti-globalization" is a propaganda term devised by the advocates
of a particular investor-rights version of international integration.
No sane person is opposed to globalization, surely not the left or the
workers movements, which were founded on the commitment to
international solidarity -- that is, a form of globalization that is
concerned with the rights and needs of people, not private capital. As
for the role of violence, official "globalization" relies very heavily
on it: that should be obvious without comment. But I see no reason why
people-oriented globalization movements (called "anti-globalization"
in the propaganda system) should do so; on the contrary, such tactics
lack justification and undermine the goals of the movements. The right
ways to proceed are those that have been used for centuries in popular
struggles for peace, justice, and human rights. We all know what they
are. There are no magic keys. They require patient education,
organization, when possible and appropriate direct action -- as, for
example, in the actions of the Landless Workers Movement in Brazil,
one of the most important components of the international
peoples-globalization movements. There are no general rules, only
specific proposals depending on circumstances and goals. One highly
promising expression of the mass popular movements supporting a
human-oriented form of globalization is the World Social Forum that
has met twice in Porto Alegre, Brazil, perhaps sowing the seeds of the
first genuine International, one might hope.
8. What do you think the political impact of US corporate,
accounting scandals will be? Are you concerned about it?
They will presumably lead to some retraction of the lunatic version
of markets that have been imposed by extreme reactionaries in recent
years. There is a serious impact for workers who have lost their jobs
and pensions, and for many others, but wealth and power will mostly
escape unscathed, even enriched, as has already happened for many of
those in charge. I doubt that there will be a long-term impact beyond
a return to some of the regulatory apparatus that has been dismantled,
predictably leading to disaster, as in the past.
9. What do you think about the formation of the Euro-army?
Europe is under no serious military threat, so a Euro-army is
unlikely to be involved in defense (though whatever the military does
is called "defense," typically). We should ask, then, what tasks will
be assigned to it. In a world that is far less than perfect, one can
think of some legitimate tasks. But those who have an eye on history
will expect something different, and not very pleasant to contemplate.
These consequences are, however, in the domain of choice, and given
the at least partially democratic character of Western societies, the
choices can lie in the hands of a concerned public, to no slight
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